Gunstar

Sorry, I forgot a couple of them. It's bound to happen with so many coming from one source. I've got them all (free ones), but I haven't tried Blackout! yet, I downloaded a file, I don't know if it's the final release rom or an earlier version. Impulse X had to take a back seat to AW pre-order, but if there are some left for sale in a couple of weeks, Impulse and KM Final are next on the list, and probably in that order, since I have KM freeware(?). But I did just buy a rotary controller I couldn't afford, and T2K and KM original won't be enough for very long, I'll probably buy them sooner than I can afford too.

Well, we got RR in 2011, and maybe Blackhole, and was Clicks released in 2011? Last year? Has it been released yet?

Impulse X we just got end of 2012 or beginning of 2013. The rest we are still waiting for and it's 2013. It looks like Another World will be a sure 2013 release, and hopefully some of those games mentioned back in 2011 will come out as well as a few announced since then...

I don't really know what the status of Jagware is, but we (The Removers) certainly support and help to promote the Jaguar platform. In that sense, we are part of Jagware.

 

Individually, I am grateful to Jagware members who helped me in the discovery and understanding of the Jaguar platform. And I am happy to visit Jagware forums as there are lots of useful and relevant information.

 

Gunstar, I understand your criticisms regarding the price of Another World release.

Thanks to the RGC, the price is only 60€. This is not cheap, but this is not unreasonable.

If I had to publish the game on my own (ie creating my own company especially for that purpose), the price would have been not less than 80€ because of taxes.

If I felt the price was unreasonable, i would'nt have pre-ordered a copy, just stating that while it may be cheaper over there for Jagtopus games, it's not any cheaper over here for them. BUT, it could be much more for me if they weren't using the Jagtopus!

whats sucks is the waiting. I pre-ordered a week ago, and I know the pre-order period is going on for at least another month, and then months to wait after that! I've waited enough as a Jag owner! I've been very patient for Jag game releases and delays, and lost and foudn and released 10 years later for the last 20 years! COMPLAINING! Blah, blah, blah... (chain of emotions I had in 2 minutes while typing reply)

Jagtopus is cool, I also pre-ordered AW, but it's not any cheaper using Jagtopus for us Americans on this release, I payed $83 U.S., I can get new, actively published Songbird cartridges for that price.

Did the Blackout! 23 copy release use the Jagtopus? How much was that one U.S.? Orion mentions 80 Euros in the Blackout! thread, that would translate into around $100 U.S. right now., so...definately not cheaper for us Americans IF Blackout used Jagtopus. If that was a normal cartridge release at about $100 U.S., then I guess I am saving with Jagtopus at $83 U.S with AW (except for Songbird cartridges). We need a U.S. produced Jagtopus game if we are going to see better savings.

If you build it, they will come.

well, I guess I'll have to study up on jagmod's tool and make my cinepak Jag CD's the hard way, one at a time through DOS. The thought of doing it like Jiffi would just end trepedation, knowing that the CD's will come out the way I want the first time and let me concentrate on making cinepak CD's instead of spending all my time getting ready to make the CD's. Making Cinepak discs with something like Jiffi instead of DOS is basically the difference between spending all day making an entire holiday dinner, or going through a drive-through for fast food, But, getting the same quality of food in the end.

I think if someone did make a cinepak "jiffi" we would see a lot more cool cinepak discs put out by people in the community that otherwise would never try. Cinepak only gets old if you are watching the same few FMV's over and over again. A variety of cinepak discs makes it fun and greatly expands the uses of the Jag CD. But I'm not just a gamer, I'm a video buff too, and I enjoy owning and watching as many video formats as I can. I currently enjoy VHS tape, Super VHS, CED, Laserdisc, JagCD Cinepak, VCD, DVD and blue-ray. It's more about using vintage and rare equipment and having an appreciation for it,than the actual picture quality. Though with my modern HDTV's and video upscalers the old stuff looks better than ever.

I found the slam racer intro and one-car, one-track demo. It seems to be the same as what I remember from Painter, but maybe I'm remembering wrong. In this video, it says it's a version with four cars and multiple tracks, at least on the menu, it still loks like only one track though, in the rest of the video. Was this the version hidden in Painter? Or is this completely unreleased? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-OAkoQNmVo

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I was just thinking, a cinepak jiffi wouldn't really have to be able to accept multiple FMV formats, it could just use one popular video format and then transform it into cinepak and Jag CD image. The user could then just use some other random Windows video converter program to convert it into the compatible format. Unless Cinepak is still a standard format option on video conversion programs, if it ever was.

I just never realized how much I needed jiffi and didn't know it. Now I'd like to have it for Jaguar CD cinepak.

Should ask Gordon to release that old version of Painter for free now.

Is there a NEW version of painter? Besides the BJL demo rom and CD release?

I found the slam racer intro and one-car, one-track demo. It seems to be the same as what I remember from Painter, but maybe I'm remembering wrong. In this video, it says it's a version with four cars and multiple tracks, at least on the menu, it still loks like only one track though, in the rest of the video. Was this the version hidden in Painter? Or is this completely unreleased? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-OAkoQNmVo

Is there really a point? Video on the JagCD is an interesting gimmick, but it gets old pretty quickly, especially given the (poor) video quality.

There's a point o me, and obviously others (like all the people actually making cinepack discs-hombrew AND Video61 movies, then there is a point). For the same reason some climb a mountain; becuase it's there. But beyond that, well... while HD video is fantastic, and I watch it often, many of us don't mind watching lower-res stuff still. I also have and still use CED, Laserdisc, VHS, SVHS,Video CD, DVD and even cinepak Jaguar CD's! I love watching video from my Jag! Nothing is obsolete to me, until it's broken and/or unrecoverable. Why do you think I still bother with a JAG?!? Or other classic systems?!? Aren't they also considered Obsolete and low res?!? It's all video man, games, movies, whatever. I like ALL new and old tech! I like to get the best quality possible out of each type of media, but I definately still enjoy watching the video collections I have for these formats.

Also, becuase I want to make my own videos and have cinepak editions as well as other stuff. I'm more of an artist than a software tech guru. While I have learned and forgotten to use a command line and cdrecord, etc. (for other things), and can learn how to do it all via command line and batch files, I want to spend my time making the movies, not the discs. I thought I'd ask becuase the software tech stuff is other people's art, my art wants to use their's.

I also have plans to release movies made by myself and a friend (not talking homemovies, but creative low-budget films). My friend already has films he made for sale on VHS and DVD and he wants to do them in cinepak for the Jag and possibly release them to the Jag community for free. Learning to create them myself is pretty intimidating and I don't have the money to burn through CDR's for testing. I want to share FMV of all types with the jaguar community, and cinepak is the way I want to do it.

It's FUN for many of us to watch FMV on our Jaguars, and make it too!

So there is a point, to some, if not to you. The important thing is the content. It's only a "gimmick" if not used in interesting ways.

Would it be possible to have a jiffi type program to allow different FMV formats to be turned into ready-to-burn Jaguar Cinepak disc images?

I should have remembered that. Now that it's been mentioned, I do remember playing slam racer from the Painter CD years ago, I totally forgot.

My Painter CD was sold years back when I sold my first Jaguar system&collection. I'll have to pick up another copy off e-bay or something.

Thanks! Thank's Gordon!

Hi,

 

Check this out midimaze clone source code in C for pc and tos systems. Would be nice to see a quickport of this to the JAG

 

OHho thanks many many great thanks

 

Shiney. I never played the original, so tell me, could the gameplay work with a dungeon-master style of fake-3D interface?

 

If so, it could work well as a Jaguar/Lynx cross-platform game.

Put it this way; the Atari 8-bit has MidiMaze and can be connected to play multi-player with the 16-bit ST, so I think the Jaguar could handle it, and the Lynx for that matter, the lynx connected to other lynx's and the Atari 8/16/32/64-bit machines can connect to and amongst each other. And, the graphic movement is far better on existing versions than Dungeon-master style 3D, they are fluidly moving games.

8-bit midi-maze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZouboBEULS8

ST Midi-maze:

Gameboy Faceball/midi-maze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZouboBEULS8

Well, at this point CDR is my only option, so it doesn't matter anyway. It's not that big a deal to me.

 

There is always VirtualJaguar. It's come on a long way in the last year or so. So much so, i use it pretty much all the time for development now.

It doesn't matter to me if it's perfect, I hate playing console games on a PC keyboard and I don't have a PC controller becuase I don't play PC games. So for better or worse, I don't use emulators on PC's. I used to have a couple of emulators on the Dreamcast I played around with, but that's it. If I was a programmer I would probably use them for development, but I'm not...

Thanks, I just thought he'd alreasy released it publicly years ago. JS2 even has one of the builds on their downloads, I just don't know if it's the real early one I had before, or not. but I thought it was worth a CDR burn with jiffy to find out.

Thanks again.

 

Hopefully Gorden will just see this thread and reply here.

 

It wont be a CDR burn, any version that 'complete' will be a ROM. I'm pretty sure Gordon won't read this thread, though. He's not too interested in the Jaguar any more.

Well, at this point CDR is my only option, so it doesn't matter anyway. It's not that big a deal to me.

I just saw a video on Youtube of Slam Racer, that looks like a much more complete and playable version than the demo of it I had years ago. is there anywhere to download the version I saw on Youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTVkCGRkuAM...;feature=relmfu

 

I have this build and also I think a later one (and many previous ones too!) however they belong to Gordon so ultimately he would be the one to give you a yes or no for a download. you could contact him via his website. Next time I chat to him I will all him about it.

Thanks, I just thought he'd alreasy released it publicly years ago. JS2 even has one of the builds on their downloads, I just don't know if it's the real early one I had before, or not. but I thought it was worth a CDR burn with jiffy to find out.

Thanks again.

Hopefully Gorden will just see this thread and reply here.

I just saw a video on Youtube of Slam Racer, that looks like a much more complete and playable version than the demo of it I had years ago. is there anywhere to download the version I saw on Youtube? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTVkCGRkuAM...;feature=relmfu

The game is fixed 100% other than the two player mode, as sh3 said above, we're waiting on the video being cleaned up.

 

Ultimately it is Neo's call as to if it gets released or not - but if/when it does it most certainly won't be an incomplete beta. You'll be getting the full game.

I definately appreciate that, except for the "if" part, since I'd rather have something than nothing. I doubt I'll ever have an opportunity to play two player mode either...here's to hoping it gets done, and if not you guys decide to release the "improved" version in years to come. Thanks for the update. At least I have something and know some tricks to bypass some bad parts and get to later levels.

So there's no chance of it being released with what has been done? It's got to be better than the corrupted version I've got, which by the way I've made it well past corrupted areas, I think to mission 8, IIRC, but I'd sure love something better than what I've got. I don't care so much about the FMV anyway, I just skip it.

There are plenty of Jag games out there with problems now, like Skyhammer for example, yet it got released anyway, and I'm very happy it was released as-is rather than not. In fact, I'm an artist myself and would be more than happy to help going through it frame-by-frame to fix it. Though while I do have the talent and will, I probably don't have the tools to help.

In any case, thanks for the answer...guess I'll go play what I have again and hope it's the 25% of the time I can get past the bad areas.

What ever happened to Reboot's fixing of the Soul Star corrupted beta? is this still happening?