Competition to Programmers, 3 Prizes up for grabs Options

[10p6]

I hereby declare a competition for the creation of 3 programs for the Atari Jaguar. This competition is open to anyone in the world, and is designed to enrich the Atari Jaguar for years to come. All entries must be submitted before November 16, 2012, after which videos will be made and user a poll decides a winner for each category on November 23, 2012. If this competition has any support I will run a competition every year to celebrate the anniversary of the Atari Jaguar. I encourage fans to add to the prizes / fund that I am offering to increase competition.



A. Linear Rendering Engine Prize $500 USD (Will become open source to encourage development)

This competition is to create a high speed '3D Linear Rendering Engine' that can be used to create games such as 'Need For Speed' and "Road Rage' and Racing game clones. The Engine should work with textures, but unlike a typical 3D engine, this one should be designed for speed and quality and to run in one direction only, as if on railway tracks. Terms:

1. The LRE must be able to recreate graphics close to, or better than the 3DO games 'Need for Speed or Road Rage'
2. The LRE must be able to be used with both Cartridge and CD
3. The LRE must reserve enough processing power to allow for gameplay graphics, music (Streaming music is acceptable on CD version) and sound.
4. Must not cause potential games to control like 'Checkered Flag'
5. A demonstration must be created which shows off the potential of the Linear Rendering Engine
6. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
7. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
8. Competition close date. November 16, 2012.




B. Skunk Board USB Port Flash Drive Prize $500 USD (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

This competition is to provide a PC, Mac or bios upgrade program for the Skunk Board which will allow it's USB ports to be used with USB Flash drives to directly load software from the Skunk Board to the Jaguar. Terms:

1. Must work with at least Skunk board Version 3
2. Once upgrade program is installed, it must work as a stand alone item and not require any PC / Mac / Linux interaction
3. Must retain any current software lockouts that are in place
4. Must retain function after Jaguar is power cycled
5. Must work with USB drives up to 2 GB or more
6. Must provide a simple menu system to select and open Jaguar content that is stored on USB Flash Drive
7. Should allow standard JCP commands, including load addresses etc
8. A way to reset back to the menu would be beneficial without power cycling the Jaguar
9. Must support all current Skunk Board image formats. You will get extra brownie points for CD support (That's CD images. I will add $1000 if you can support USB CD Optical Drives for standard Jag CD use also, LOL, I'm serious.)
10. A demonstration must be created which shows off the program and it running Jag images / roms etc.
10. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations.
11. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
12. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
13. Competition close date. November 16, 2012




C. MP3 Player / Playback Prize $500 USD (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

This competition it to create code for the Atari Jaguar that allows MP3's to be played back from CD. Ideally this would include options to run the software from a Jag Cart, or program from a CD which also allows MP3's to be created on the same CD. Use of VLM would be encouraged if possible. Terms:

1. Must be able to decode stereo MP3's
2. Must support a minimun bit-rate of 128K (64k to 160k would be encouraged)
3. Must support a minimun frequency of 44100 Hz
4. Must be able to run from a Cart / Skunk Board and access a CD, or from a CD which can also contain MP3's
5. Must be able to read standard PC created CD's containing MP3's
6. Must allow tracks to be selected from menu using standard Jaguar controller
8. A demonstration must be created which shows off the program and MP3 Playback
9. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
10. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
11. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
12. Competition close date. November 16, 2012


Note that all competitions must work with K and M model Jaguars and not require any hardware hacks.


So here is an opportunity to see new development on the Jag, and the possibility to have a new anual competition that is open to everyone. If this competition is taken seriously, I will create a website with videos of entrants, and recognition for each winner.

Good luck,

10p6

[rush6432]

I hereby declare a competition for the creation of 3 programs for the Atari Jaguar. This competition is open to anyone in the world, and is designed to enrich the Atari Jaguar for years to come. All entries must be submitted before November 16, 2012, after which videos will be made and user a poll decides a winner for each category on November 23, 2012. If this competition has any support I will run a competition every year to celebrate the anniversary of the Atari Jaguar. I encourage fans to add to the prizes / fund that I am offering to increase competition.



A. Linear Rendering Engine Prize $500 USD (Will become open source to encourage development)

This competition is to create a high speed '3D Linear Rendering Engine' that can be used to create games such as 'Need For Speed' and "Road Rage' and Racing game clones. The Engine should work with textures, but unlike a typical 3D engine, this one should be designed for speed and quality and to run in one direction only, as if on railway tracks. Terms:

1. The LRE must be able to recreate graphics close to, or better than the 3DO games 'Need for Speed or Road Rage'
2. The LRE must be able to be used with both Cartridge and CD
3. The LRE must reserve enough processing power to allow for gameplay graphics, music (Streaming music is acceptable on CD version) and sound.
4. Must not cause potential games to control like 'Checkered Flag'
5. A demonstration must be created which shows off the potential of the Linear Rendering Engine
6. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
7. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
8. Competition close date. November 16, 2012.




B. Skunk Board USB Port Flash Drive Prize $500 USD (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

This competition is to provide a PC, Mac or bios upgrade program for the Skunk Board which will allow it's USB ports to be used with USB Flash drives to directly load software from the Skunk Board to the Jaguar. Terms:

1. Must work with at least Skunk board Version 3
2. Once upgrade program is installed, it must work as a stand alone item and not require any PC / Mac / Linux interaction
3. Must retain any current software lockouts that are in place
4. Must retain function after Jaguar is power cycled
5. Must work with USB drives up to 2 GB or more
6. Must provide a simple menu system to select and open Jaguar content that is stored on USB Flash Drive
7. Should allow standard JCP commands, including load addresses etc
8. A way to reset back to the menu would be beneficial without power cycling the Jaguar
9. Must support all current Skunk Board image formats. You will get extra brownie points for CD support (That's CD images. I will add $1000 if you can support USB CD Optical Drives for standard Jag CD use also, LOL, I'm serious.)
10. A demonstration must be created which shows off the program and it running Jag images / roms etc.
10. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations.
11. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
12. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
13. Competition close date. November 16, 2012




C. MP3 Player / Playback Prize $500 USD (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

This competition it to create code for the Atari Jaguar that allows MP3's to be played back from CD. Ideally this would include options to run the software from a Jag Cart, or program from a CD which also allows MP3's to be created on the same CD. Use of VLM would be encouraged if possible. Terms:

1. Must be able to decode stereo MP3's
2. Must support a minimun bit-rate of 128K (64k to 160k would be encouraged)
3. Must support a minimun frequency of 44100 Hz
4. Must be able to run from a Cart / Skunk Board and access a CD, or from a CD which can also contain MP3's
5. Must be able to read standard PC created CD's containing MP3's
6. Must allow tracks to be selected from menu using standard Jaguar controller
8. A demonstration must be created which shows off the program and MP3 Playback
9. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
10. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
11. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
12. Competition close date. November 16, 2012


Note that all competitions must work with K and M model Jaguars and not require any hardware hacks.


So here is an opportunity to see new development on the Jag, and the possibility to have a new anual competition that is open to everyone. If this competition is taken seriously, I will create a website with videos of entrants, and recognition for each winner.

Good luck,

10p6

9. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
10. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
B. (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

All 3 of those statements are going to drive developers away...

[10p6]

I hereby declare a competition for the creation of 3 programs for the Atari Jaguar. This competition is open to anyone in the world, and is designed to enrich the Atari Jaguar for years to come. All entries must be submitted before November 16, 2012, after which videos will be made and user a poll decides a winner for each category on November 23, 2012. If this competition has any support I will run a competition every year to celebrate the anniversary of the Atari Jaguar. I encourage fans to add to the prizes / fund that I am offering to increase competition.



A. Linear Rendering Engine Prize $500 USD (Will become open source to encourage development)

This competition is to create a high speed '3D Linear Rendering Engine' that can be used to create games such as 'Need For Speed' and "Road Rage' and Racing game clones. The Engine should work with textures, but unlike a typical 3D engine, this one should be designed for speed and quality and to run in one direction only, as if on railway tracks. Terms:

1. The LRE must be able to recreate graphics close to, or better than the 3DO games 'Need for Speed or Road Rage'
2. The LRE must be able to be used with both Cartridge and CD
3. The LRE must reserve enough processing power to allow for gameplay graphics, music (Streaming music is acceptable on CD version) and sound.
4. Must not cause potential games to control like 'Checkered Flag'
5. A demonstration must be created which shows off the potential of the Linear Rendering Engine
6. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
7. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
8. Competition close date. November 16, 2012.




B. Skunk Board USB Port Flash Drive Prize $500 USD (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

This competition is to provide a PC, Mac or bios upgrade program for the Skunk Board which will allow it's USB ports to be used with USB Flash drives to directly load software from the Skunk Board to the Jaguar. Terms:

1. Must work with at least Skunk board Version 3
2. Once upgrade program is installed, it must work as a stand alone item and not require any PC / Mac / Linux interaction
3. Must retain any current software lockouts that are in place
4. Must retain function after Jaguar is power cycled
5. Must work with USB drives up to 2 GB or more
6. Must provide a simple menu system to select and open Jaguar content that is stored on USB Flash Drive
7. Should allow standard JCP commands, including load addresses etc
8. A way to reset back to the menu would be beneficial without power cycling the Jaguar
9. Must support all current Skunk Board image formats. You will get extra brownie points for CD support (That's CD images. I will add $1000 if you can support USB CD Optical Drives for standard Jag CD use also, LOL, I'm serious.)
10. A demonstration must be created which shows off the program and it running Jag images / roms etc.
10. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations.
11. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
12. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
13. Competition close date. November 16, 2012




C. MP3 Player / Playback Prize $500 USD (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

This competition it to create code for the Atari Jaguar that allows MP3's to be played back from CD. Ideally this would include options to run the software from a Jag Cart, or program from a CD which also allows MP3's to be created on the same CD. Use of VLM would be encouraged if possible. Terms:

1. Must be able to decode stereo MP3's
2. Must support a minimun bit-rate of 128K (64k to 160k would be encouraged)
3. Must support a minimun frequency of 44100 Hz
4. Must be able to run from a Cart / Skunk Board and access a CD, or from a CD which can also contain MP3's
5. Must be able to read standard PC created CD's containing MP3's
6. Must allow tracks to be selected from menu using standard Jaguar controller
8. A demonstration must be created which shows off the program and MP3 Playback
9. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
10. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
11. The winner will be decided by public vote from a Video comparions of any and all entrants.
12. Competition close date. November 16, 2012


Note that all competitions must work with K and M model Jaguars and not require any hardware hacks.


So here is an opportunity to see new development on the Jag, and the possibility to have a new anual competition that is open to everyone. If this competition is taken seriously, I will create a website with videos of entrants, and recognition for each winner.

Good luck,

10p6

9. Any demonstrations must be provided to myself, and I must agree to any public demonstrations
10. This program / upgrade must not be released to the public.
B. (I reserve the right to use and release this software. If released 33% royalties will be paid to the winner)

All 3 of those statements are going to drive developers away...

I disagree.

9) This is a competition, the idea is so any and all entries can be viewed and judged at the same time. Allowing demos before a winner is decided unfavorably gives advantage to that entry.

10) It is me putting up the cash for this competition, (competitions 1 and 2) If they want it released it will be done so, but not at my cost.

11) Compared to virtually all software agreements, a developer will only receive about 15%. This is more than double that and they take no risk at all. If someone wins competition 1 or 2 and it was public domain, then someone else would probably snatch it up at my cost and profit from it.


I can see your concern about it, but with a system like the jag, it would be hard to do a very open competition without having a lot of cash to burn.

[sh3-rg]

I can see this going down well on possibly one or two other forums, but what is proposed here is in stark conflict with the whole Jagware ethos. I can't speak for everyone, but I don't know of anyone here who requires small cash incentives to do stuff for their 20 year old kitty, that's really not what it's all about.

Kudos for trying to kickstart something but I don't see this attracting anyone who isn't already interested in Jaguar and those that are probably won't spend months of their free time hoping to win themselves a whole $500. Anyone who would be tempted in by the hope of winning $500, well, wouldn't they be better off playing Lego on popular platforms with the hope of earning 100x that with much less work? I hope your competition finds entries and works for you, but dangling baby carrots from threads isn't a plan I see working.

ps

A.1. Road Rage? The Simpsons game? Or Road Rash?
A.4. Game engines are not games.

B.3. Which are what exactly? You cannot write something to a specification that you do not posess.

c. Every point. Seriously? You want an mp3 player... and from CD...?

pps Att this "33% royalties" talk and "no public release" really just looks like you are on the gouge and not doing this for the good of the Jaguar fans at all.

[Zerosquare]

Compared to virtually all software agreements, a developer will only receive about 15%.

Whoah, stop right here, that's not how it works. You're not a publisher and homebrew developers aren't your employees.

As sh3-rg pointed out, people here develop on the Jaguar primarily for fun. Though a monetary incentive can be a boost, I doubt anybody is willing to give exclusive rights to their work to anyone ; the whole point of this forum is to share knowledge and work.

I suggest you either reconsider the terms of your contest, or advertise it somewhere else.

[ggn]

Just a few questions on item B:

1. Must work with at least Skunk board Version 3

Why not all versions of Skunkboard? I thought they were mostly identical?

Also, is there any code or docs published by the Skunkboard authors to allow communication with the USB port or do we have to reverse engineer the Skunkbard bios which might cause the skunkboard authors to send a cease and deceit or generally cause tension among such a small base of Jaguar developers?

3. Must retain any current software lockouts that are in place

Clarify please? Do you mean crack some protection?

6. Must provide a simple menu system to select and open Jaguar content that is stored on USB Flash Drive

Again, clarify? ROMs? CD images? Homebrew? As it's worded at the moment this could potentially mean illegal activities.

9. Must support all current Skunk Board image formats. You will get extra brownie points for CD support (That's CD images. I will add $1000 if you can support USB CD Optical Drives for standard Jag CD use also, LOL, I'm serious.)

Should there be software locks in there to avoid commercial games from Atari (or for example Gorf CD) to be loaded?

[10p6]

Compared to virtually all software agreements, a developer will only receive about 15%.

Whoah, stop right here, that's not how it works. You're not a publisher and homebrew developers aren't your employees.

As sh3-rg pointed out, people here develop on the Jaguar primarily for fun. Though a monetary incentive can be a boost, I doubt anybody is willing to give exclusive rights to their work to anyone ; the whole point of this forum is to share knowledge and work.

I suggest you either reconsider the terms of your contest, or advertise it somewhere else.

Oh Zero one of these days you will be nice and people will like you, probably not but it would be a start.

I do not know if you noticed, but three competitions are in play. The 1st one is going to become open source so it will be shared. As for the other two comps programers do not have to do it, and if they choose to then they may get a product published with no risk or cost to them, yet still receive royalties which are generally more than double what developers normally get. Other than that it is my competition and I choose the rules which are fair. I updated the rules by the way should you know how to get to Jaguarsector.com

BTW I would really love to see a 'Facts 2' demo. It looks great in 1080P, and sounds awesome through my Toslink setup.

[10p6]

Just a few questions on item B:

1. Must work with at least Skunk board Version 3

Why not all versions of Skunkboard? I thought they were mostly identical?

Also, is there any code or docs published by the Skunkboard authors to allow communication with the USB port or do we have to reverse engineer the Skunkbard bios which might cause the skunkboard authors to send a cease and deceit or generally cause tension among such a small base of Jaguar developers?

3. Must retain any current software lockouts that are in place

Clarify please? Do you mean crack some protection?

6. Must provide a simple menu system to select and open Jaguar content that is stored on USB Flash Drive

Again, clarify? ROMs? CD images? Homebrew? As it's worded at the moment this could potentially mean illegal activities.

9. Must support all current Skunk Board image formats. You will get extra brownie points for CD support (That's CD images. I will add $1000 if you can support USB CD Optical Drives for standard Jag CD use also, LOL, I'm serious.)

Should there be software locks in there to avoid commercial games from Atari (or for example Gorf CD) to be loaded?

Hi GGN

> I would like it to be supported by all versions of the Skunk board, but as a bare minimun I would settle for V3

> I don't know about any documentation for the Skunk, all I do know for a fact is it can be done. I believe JagChris posted something about SB docs or specs somewhere. As for developing for it, no one has asked me to remove my competition for it.

> No. I mean that some games are prevented rom running on the Skunkboard in it's bios, and that part of this competition should remain.

> I mean that anything that can be ran from a Skunkboard now should be able to be ran from a USB Flash drive. Personally I own every Jag game, and have Roms and CD images for all of them. It would be nice to be able to use any of them. At the same time I am NOT asking that any laws be broken

> See above

[Cyrano Jones]

I don't think you are going to find anyone who is capable of writing any of what you have asked who is also simultaneously stupid enough to hand over full ownership of a finished project.

It's a good idea you had, though. Getting other people to do all the work for you. Sounds like business.

Here's a better idea. Learn how to code. Write the apps yourself. And take 100% of the royalties. Or, if you are so inclined, give the stuff away for free. $1500 will buy you a lot of programming books.

I guarantee you will get quicker results than waiting for a skilled lackey ;-)

[Zerosquare]

Oh Zero one of these days you will be nice and people will like you, probably not but it would be a start.

Protip : if you get the urge to belittle someone gratuitously on a forum, don't choose one of the said forum's admins. First and last warning.

As for the other two comps programers do not have to do it, and if they choose to then they may get a product published with no risk or cost to them, yet still receive royalties which are generally more than double what developers normally get.

You still don't get it, do you? Homebrew developers usually get either no money because they release their stuff for free, or 100% of the "royalties" when they sell their work. They don't need a "publisher", and the level of risk is essentially null for software (since there are no materials to buy).

There have been competitions with monetary rewards (for example, the two "Jagcode"s), but the money has been offered purely as an incentive ; the organizers don't get any special rights on the result, besides getting their project done, the fuzzy feeling of having contributed to something worthwhile, and possibly a few extras (autographed copy, etc.)

On the other hand, if you want to present your contest as something akin to "contract" work, I don't think you'll find any takers here. Besides the fact that members code mainly for fun, $500 is not that much for work that's going to take several weeks easily, especially when you have no guarantee of being paid.

You have a right to set your contest's rules as you see fit, but we do have a right to tell you that the spirit doesn't match our members point-of-view.

[10p6]

Oh Zero one of these days you will be nice and people will like you, probably not but it would be a start.

Protip : if you get the urge to belittle someone gratuitously on a forum, don't choose one of the said forum's admins. First and last warning.

As for the other two comps programers do not have to do it, and if they choose to then they may get a product published with no risk or cost to them, yet still receive royalties which are generally more than double what developers normally get.

You still don't get it, do you? Homebrew developers usually get either no money because they release their stuff for free, or 100% of the "royalties" when they sell their work. They don't need a "publisher", and the level of risk is essentially null for software (since there are no materials to buy).

There have been competitions with monetary rewards (for example, the two "Jagcode"s), but the money has been offered purely as an incentive ; the organizers don't get any special rights on the result, besides getting their project done, the fuzzy feeling of having contributed to something worthwhile, and possibly a few extras (autographed copy, etc.)

On the other hand, if you want to present your contest as something akin to "contract" work, I don't think you'll find any takers here. Besides the fact that members code mainly for fun, $500 is not that much for work that's going to take several weeks easily, especially when you have no guarantee of being paid.

You have a right to set your contest's rules as you see fit, but we do have a right to tell you that the spirit doesn't match our members point-of-view.

Zerosquare, firstly, I respect that you are an Administrator, but don't threaten me. Not only is it illegal, lt would be discrimination and that is a Felony. I already have a suit in ready to go against AA, and if I cannot express freedom of speech it is only going to make me richer filing another suit. If you do not want me on here, then delete my account!

Once again though this is a competition. I am not asking people to enter at all. As for competitions 1 and 2 (They have been modified by the way,) I never said or planned to just sell the software. I know $500 is not a lot, but once again this is meant to be a competition. The plan for the MP3 player is to produce a Cart with the software on it. So with that in mind, may programmers would never even want to get involved, and it has a lot more expense and risk than simply burning a CDR disk. So then for a hobbyist programmer to make 33% of net income with a professional product and have no cost, or risk it is pretty attractive proposition. I have published software, signed contracts and know a lot more about this than many think.

[Cyrano Jones]

Why do Americans insist on believing that laws that don't even exist in their own country have any relevance outside their borders?

So then for a hobbyist programmer to make 33% of net income with a professional product and have no cost, or risk it is pretty attractive proposition.

No, it really isn't.

I can't imagine why anyone here would not want to have anything to do with this guy, can you?

[sh3-rg]

Jagware has never been a forum of drama and idiocy. I think it was a mistake to approve the initial post as I feared exactly this kind of result. I suggest this thread gets buried in the spam folder where it belongs. Anyone who wants to partake in 1080p6's competition can do so via js2, which seems to be the only place he is updating the rules and regulations.

As 1080p6 has a track record of not being able to play nicely with all but the truly mentally challenged, I vote for taking him up on his offer of account deletion.

ps 1080p6 is not, as far as I am aware, an American. He is a disabled ex-pat war veteran (if his e-mails are to be believed, the ones begging for unique/signed/seared/special versions of our games).

[Sauron]

Zerosquare, firstly, I respect that you are an Administrator, but don't threaten me. Not only is it illegal, lt would be discrimination and that is a Felony. I already have a suit in ready to go against AA, and if I cannot express freedom of speech it is only going to make me richer filing another suit. If you do not want me on here, then delete my account!

Someone hasn't thrown you in a sanitarium yet?

EDIT: To be a little more concise and clear...you seriously have screwed up ideas on what "freedom of speech" actually entails. You also certainly aren't winning any friends with your constant threats of lawsuits. Zero didn't "threaten" you; you threatened him instead.

[Cyrano Jones]

if his e-mails are to be believed, the ones begging for unique/signed/seared/special versions of our games.

I could probably go for a 'seared' version....

[Matmook]

As 1080p6 has a track record of not being able to play nicely with all but the truly mentally challenged, I vote for taking him up on his offer of account deletion.

I agree with sh3-rg, this thread has nothing to do with Jagware's member spirit.

[Azrael]

Topic locked until administrators decision.

[Zerosquare]

I had given 10p6 the benefit of doubt when he registered, but I obviously made a mistake. Meaningless lawsuits threats after only 3 posts must be some kind of record.

Congratulations, you're the first non-spammer ever to get banned from this forum.